The Saudi Connection in the Belgium Attacks

March 27, 2016

Lincoln Clapper

CCTV footage of the Belgium attacks suspects. Public Domain.

 

This past week Europe experienced its second major terrorist attack within the last five months. The ISIS-claimed attack in Brussels signifies again just how real and how serious the militant group is about training, equipping, and tactically carrying out an assault in Europe. Although the attack appears to have been provoked or moved ahead of schedule due to the arrest of Salah Abdeslam (Belgium-born, French national personally involved in the Paris attacks), what is apparent is this attack was forthcoming based on the materials found in the apartment of the attackers, and the overall sophistication of the bombings suggests that this was not a reactionary, random plot. With details of the attackers released, their chief bomb maker Najim Laachraoui, along with two brothers Ibrahim and Khalid el-Barkraoui, are reported as Belgium nationals. As the search continues for the fourth perpetrator, questions are continually raised about where the next possible attack could be, or how to best combat an all-encompassing ISIS assault on Western Europe.

Yet the most salient inquiry about the Brussels attack has not been brought to public forum. Why is this happening in Belgium? Obviously the pursuit of the Paris attackers led the authorities to Brussels, so traveling elsewhere would have been extremely risky for the terrorists, to say the least. But why did the chase end up in Belgium? Why were so many of the Paris attackers, and now Brussels attackers, Belgium nationals? What is really going on inside Belgium? A soft analysis of the situation would point to Syria — the attacks were coordinated and ordered by ISIS leadership and carried out in accordance with their global jihadist mission. Yes, this is true. But again, why in Belgium and not in Switzerland — or Norway — or Romania? A thorough investigation into these questions will ultimately find that Saudi-Wahhabi fingerprints cloak the Brussels crime scene, further exposing the real problem facing the international community when it comes to combating terrorism.

As I wrote in my previous piece, the Wahhabi doctrine that ISIS follows is derived and mirrored from the current religious establishment in Saudi Arabia. Its atavistic, puritanical interpretations are based upon ruling by the sword and spreading (what the House of Saud views) as the purest form of Islam across the Muslim world and beyond. The royal family is dependent on this interpretation because of the religious legitimacy it provides for its dynastic hegemony. But, in order to understand how this relates to the Brussels attack one must go back to 1964. King Faisal had just deposed his half-brother, King Saud, from the crown due to his foreign policy incompetence and excessive public expenditures. King Saud (widley regarded in Saudi Arabia as a pariah) continually fumbled resistance against seditious media and political attacks from Egypt’s Gamel Nasser as he sought to divide the royal family and spread chaos inside the kingdom. Additionally, Nasser promoted a strong Arab-nationalist message across the Middle East, and the Saudi’s viewed this as a direct threat to their power in the kingdom. He openly ridiculed and denounced the royal family, encouraging dissent and ultimately providing safe haven for Saudi Prince Al-Talal who sought to liberalize the dynastic structure — this created a huge embarrassment for the kingdom. While King Saud was continually viewed as weak against Nasser’s influence, Prince Faisal was able to get the backing of the religious clerics that ultimately allowed the deposing to take place. But, legitimacy came at a price. In return, King Faisal ceded a significant amount of control to the religious Ulema-wing of the kingdom, allowing for the Ash-Shaykh (family with religious authority) establishment to reform the education system, control women’s rights, and, what is most significant in terms of the developments in Brussels, control foreign expenditure for religious propagation.

A few years earlier in 1962, Riyadh established the Muslim World League, an Islamic NGO whose goal is to: “Unite the ranks of the Muslims, and remove all divisive forces from the midst of the Muslim communities around the world, remove obstacles in the way of establishing the Muslim world union, and support all advocates of charitable deeds.” After the removal of King Saud and the induction of conservative reform brought about by King Faisal, the Muslim World League became an anti-Communist, proselytizing tool to combat Nasser’s Arab-nationalist agenda in the region. Coupled with the boom in oil revenues ($3 per barrel in 1970 to $35 per barrel in 1980) over the next decade, this afforded King Faisal and the Ash-Shaykh establishment nearly unlimited opportunities to promote their Wahhabi credence across the globe. Belgium fell in line with this foreign-religo policy in 1967 when King Baudouin secured an oil contract agreement with King Faisal.

During the 1960s, Belgium’s need for cheap labor and lax immigration policies set in motion a large number of migrants who would make their way to Belgium, particularly from Morocco and Turkey. Seeking to capitalize on the change in demographics, Faisal was able to secure a 99-year rent-free lease of the oldest mosque in Brussels, the Great Mosque of Brussels, and transform it through the monetary influence of the Muslim World League into an Islamic Cultural Center. Originally built in 1880, the building at the time had seen sufficient deterioration. Over an 11-year period, the Muslim World League funded the restoration process culminating in 1978 with its reopening, along with a fresh importation of pious, Gulf imams that began their Saudi-Wahhabi indoctrination. The Muslim World League has continually funded the Islamic Cultural Center in Brussels since the 1967 agreement, but exact figures are not known due to the lack of auditing and private grasp the kingdom keeps on its financial statements. However, over the past 20 years there have been glimpses into the makeup of the program. In 1997, the secretary general of the Muslim World League thanked King Faisal’s successor, King Fahd, for his continued support, indicating that the House of Saud had donated $1.33 billion in funding since 1962. In 2002, the Saudi newspaper Ain Al-Yaqeen published a detailed report on the extent of Saudi-Wahhabi support throughout the world noting, “the cost of King Fahd’s efforts in this field has been astronomical, amounting to many billions of Saudi riyals. In terms of Islamic institutions, the result is some 210 Islamic centers wholly or partly financed by Saudi Arabia, more than 1,500 mosques and 202 colleges and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children in non-Islamic countries in Europe, North and South America, Australia, and Asia.” Furthermore, a 2008 documentary titled The Qur’an by British filmmaker Antony Thomas put the estimate of Saudi-Wahhabi funding at over $100 billion within the last 30 years.

Now with the Brussels Muslim population near 25 percent, this level of monetary influence on mosques has cultivated an environment that breeds extremism and fanaticism — an environment that has gone unchecked for almost 50 years. Nevertheless, a Wikileaks revelation has brought about details of the escalation in extremism in Brussels over the past 10 years. According to a diplomatic cable from 2007, US officials were concerned over the disbursement of Korans by the Saudi Embassy across Belgium to over 350 mosques, even providing support for non-Arab Turkish mosques noting,  “According to a Turkish member of the Muslim Executive, the teaching of religious education by “motherland” imams tends to alienate or radicalize practitioners who have grown up in Belgium’s Western culture and who react against the strictures of a religious leader from a less open, “foreign” homeland. This has led to a growing gap in religious practice, particularly between generations,” and “public actions linking Belgium with radical Islam are few, but still worrisome.  Most notable – and embarrassing for the country – was the death in November 2005 of Belgian citizen Muriel Degauque near Baghdad following her suicide  bombing attempt.  Degauque, 38, had converted to Islam, the faith of her Moroccan-origin husband who had died in a terrorist attack in Iraq.  She was the first European woman to become a (failed) suicide bomber.” A separate Saudi Arabian cable in 2012 details a rise in extremism, explaining how the Belgium government quietly had the Saudi embassy remove the Islamic Cultural Center director, Khalid Alabri, stating — “His sermons were Salafist, anti-Israel, and anti-West. The guiding principle was the primacy of Salafism above all else.” Furthermore, the cable also revealed a Saudi embassy staffer in Belgium was expelled in 2012 for because of his role in “spreading the extreme so-called Takfiri dogma.”

In addition to this religious extremism that has systematically been implemented by the House of Saud, Belgian Muslims have also experienced a decline in socioeconomic standing coupled with social inequality. Additionally noted in the 2007 U.S. cable, “discrimination in housing and employment has produced clear lower-class “ghetto” areas of greater Brussels, such as  Molenbeek, Scaarbeek, and St. Josse, disproportionately inhabited by Muslims regardless of their education and income. According to the OECD, unemployment among foreign-born residents is twice that of indigenous Belgians. Muslims also have higher birth rates, with the result that a third of Turks and Moroccans are under 18 compared to less than a fifth of native Belgians. A quarter of Brussels residents under 20 are of Muslim origin and an estimated fifty percent of Muslim youth in Brussels is unemployed.” Religious suppression was also documented, “The “hijab” headscarf is common apparel of both Turkish and Arab women in Brussels. Yet, the decision last October by Antwerp’s city government to ban its wearing in public schools and by civil servants who deal with the public has produced growing divisiveness on the issue.” Compounding years of disenfranchisement, social injustice, and exclusion has created a powder keg of animosity among indignant, Muslim youth in Belgium. Sparked by the ISIS outbreak in Syria, the Wahhabi jihad in Western Europe draws from mosques that have Saudi-Wahhabi influence and will be axiomatic as long as the root of the problem is not addressed.

Terrorism flourishes in areas where declining opportunity meets rising expectations. Belgium’s trouble to assimilate Muslim immigrants into society over the past 50 years coupled with a heavy, persistent injection of Wahhabism explains why Belgium has the highest rate of foreign fighters per capita fighting for ISIS — it explains why half of the Belgium terrorists are Belgium born — it explains why five of the eleven Paris terrorists were Belgium nationals or grew up in Belgium. This is not a coincidence. The Wahhabi doctrine vehemently supported and implemented inside Saudi Arabia has proven to be the biggest and most salient source of religious extremism throughout the world. Since the inception of ISIS in 2011, their Wahhabi appeal and credence has galvanized oppressed Muslim youths across the globe, particularly from mosques that have had profound influence from the Muslim World League. Rest assured, there will be an increase in these violent attacks throughout not only Western Europe, but wherever the arm of Saudi-Wahhabi funding has reached within the last half-century. Counter-terror operations and military campaigns will not put an end to this fanaticism. The tepid intransigence shown by Western foreign policy has proven to be its biggest weakness. Unless the international community addresses the problem inside the Saudi kingdom by ceasing their hypocritical foreign policies that continually fund and allow the kingdom to flourish, its existence will be conducive with Islamic terrorism for many more years, if not decades. Too many innocent lives have been lost and too many more will be gone unless the Wahhabiyyah headquarters in Riyadh is dismantled.

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  • лидия

    Looks like usual imperialist modus operandi – import cheap workforce, befriend such paragons of democracy as Saudi royals, fight imperialist wars and then ask – why us?

  • DVader

    Terrorism flourishes where radical ideology flourishes. Don’t count on assimilation or being middle class to prevent terrorism. The male Pasadena shooter should have been a poster child for the American dream. Instead, he chose to be a terrorist.

    • Shyamadas

      “Terrorism flourishes where radical ideology flourishes.”
      An inconsistent statement in the context of Pasadena which is not a place where radical Islamic ideology flourishes. So there is absolutely no logical reason for the unexpected violent behavior of an US citizen. One needs to dig deeper. There is the philosophy of Islam and the deep seated hang ups of moslems who look for external causes for their economic failures. There are many successful moslems too who are not alienated from society. Immigrants always have had to strive to assimilate and that has been true in the USA for couple of centuries. Islam is a very “focused ” religion in the sense that it prescribes very specific beliefs and those who do not agree are not acceptable as fellow humans. Muslim immigrants are a very vulnerable group who need to be educated to adapt to a secular and modern society.

      • лидия

        “So there is absolutely no logical reason for the unexpected violent behavior of an US citizen”
        Sure, USA invading and bombing Muslims could NOT be a logical reason, and also USA support for Saudi royals’ Wahhabi indoctrination could not either. And USA backing Zionist colonization could not either.
        Sure, USA media is awful and one could not know about USA crimes from them, but there is internet…

        • DVader

          If that’s a logical reason for the Pasadena shooter I’m interested to hear your explanation for the past and ongoing Muslim terrorism and insurgency in Chechnya and the Caucasus. You can’t blame the Saudi royals for that, because they endorsed Russia’s flattening the place.
          As for the internet, it’s never been known to be wrong, of course, even when it
          provides a broadcasting platform for conspiracy nuts and Putin trolls.

          • лидия

            Chechnya? The one thing one needs to know about Chechnya is that more or less the same people who formed “American Committee for Peace in Chechnya” also made “Committee for the Liberation of Iraq” – yes, the same so greatly liberated Iraq.
            One could google them both and learn something about USA and terrorism. And yes, Saudi royals “helped” Chechnya too, just as they “helping” Syria.
            And yes, to call me names is somehow would turn the facts into “conspiracy”.
            Next time when USA would mass-murder Muslims or help their Saudi royal pals or Zionist colonizers do the same, such USA “non-trolls” would claim that there is NO logical reasons not to adore USA politics.

          • DVader

            Only the delusional, conspiracy nuts, or Putin trolls believe the US had any influence in Chechnya…

          • лидия

            Only brainwahsed do not pay any attention to facts. Sure, USA had NO influence, a pity that it was not known to Brzezinski (who had also brought to USA 9/11 by the way, see his bragging in 1998 of “snaring USSR in Afghanistan with Wahhabi terrorists from all over the world, and he did it with help of one Osama bin Laden)
            Not mentioning a lot of others – all long-time imperialist criminals.
            Really it could be funny to read comments of DV and his (?) fellows, were they not so far from the reality. “Conspiracy”? Like Google helping Killari’s propaganda in Syria via Al Jazeera?
            http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-syria-rebels-defection-hillary-clinton-emails-wikileaks-a6946121.html
            I suppose it is all “Putin’s trolls” LOL

          • DVader

            Boy, it must be nice to be an American on the planet you’re on, where all the US has to do is snap its fingers and it can call up color revolutions, Arab Springs, and armies of jihadis that do what we want them to do.
            Too bad it’s not planet Earth…

          • лидия

            It must be very obnoxious to be a proud American in reality where USA imperialism is waging countless wars, threatens even more wars, drone-murders, spies on all the world (including USA, of course), tortures, and backs such great allies as Saudi royals and Zionist colonizers of Palestine.
            Of course, all of this is unknown to DV, because he(?) is a typical brainwashed American, and a willing one to boot.
            “Arab Spring”, for ex, started as mass movement in Tunisia and Egypt and USA imperialists did their “best” to prop “their” dictators. When it turned impossible, they backed coup of Sisi. And in Libya and Syria USA imperialists backed Al Qaeda terrorists and called it “revolution”.
            In Bahrain, also, USA imperialists backed “their” dictator against mass and peaceful protests, the same in SA.

          • DVader

            Speaking of imperialists, Russia became the largest state on earth by fighting defensive wars, of course.
            Charging that people who disagree with you are “brainwashed” is a standard target of Russian trolls…

          • лидия

            Hi, if USA rulers back “moderate” Wahhabi terrorists and Zionist colonizers (a war minister Ya’alon) publicly prefer IS to Iran, DV might be “right”.
            USA rulers have a long and sordid history of backing Wahhabi terrorists (at least since Brzezinski in 1979 – before(!) USA entered Afghanistan). So, they must be doing something right.
            The best pals of USA rulers – Saudi royals are the most important source of Wahhabi terrorist and so on.
            On the other hand, IS hate Russia, Iran and Hezballa – who REALLY fight them. It sure means something, but NOT to DV.
            Last time I had checked Russians had not(!) crossed oceans to colonize other peoples and wipe them out of the Earth.
            I have never heard about ” the recent Russian claim that we are building biological warfare sites in the countries around Russian” USA imperialist crimes are too many to list in small comment, so I do not suffer from the lack of them. Funny that DV instead of refuting my list just calls me names.
            And to call people who present facts about USA imperialist crimes “delusional, conspiracy nuts, or Putin trolls” as DV did is sure a trait of the enlightened and profound thinker

          • DVader

            Unfortunately, correcting your errors would take volumes. Where to start?

            If you read what Brzezinski actually said, it was about supporting the Afghanis fighting the Communist regime in Afghanistan. [http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html –incidentally, from a left-wing conspiracy web site] Nothing about backing Wahhabis.
            ISIS hates the US–check their propaganda pub DABIQ sometime. Of couse, , they hate everybody; the US, Christians, Yazidis, Russia, Iran (they consider Shia Islam to be a Jewish plot), al Qaeda…

          • лидия

            Wow, DV knows better than Brzezinski what Brzezinski had done.
            “Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.”
            And, of course, USA rulers has been “working n with the currently lesser threat” since FDR – so ‘current”! “One” would say that Saudi royals (aka “moderate” Wahhabi rulers) are very constant pals of USA rulers. And yes, Wahhabi terrorists (made by clever Brzezinski and Saudis) had then turned against their creators. Nothing new here, so in Libya USA and Saudi royals backed other Wahhabi terrorists against Qaddafi – and ooops – these new tools of USA imperialism turned against their USA paymasters too – see 9/11/12.
            I suppose when USA/Saudis make one more “moderate” Wahhabi force and it turn against them too, DV would explain how it was my “mistake” to point to it LOL

          • bruce shand

            Still not sure what your little battle over U.S. hegemony, etc. has to do with this article and events in Belgium. It might have something to do with it but you haven’t made the connections. You both are just going off-topic.

          • DVader

            The article is about the Saudi/Wahhabi connection to the Belgian terrorist attacks. лидия evidently intends to believe that the US is somehow ultimately responsible and I’ve been trying to do a sanity check on her claims.

          • лидия

            DV is sure that USA rulers have nothing to do with Wahhabies.
            Now even some USA and EU media started to admit this connection.
            Some headlines
            U.S.-trained Syrian rebels gave equipment to Nusra: U.S. military
            http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-equipment-idUSKCN0RP2HO20150926

            David Petraeus’ bright idea: give terrorists weapons to beat terrorists

            http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/02/david-petraeus-bright-idea-give-terrorists-weapons-to-beat-isis

            America siding with ‘terrorists’ like al-Nusra? It’s not a conspiracy theory

            http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/america-siding-with-terrorists-like-al-nusra-its-not-a-conspiracy-theory-10319370.html

          • Sam

            >DV is sure that USA rulers have nothing to do with Wahhabies.

            He calimed they didnt create them, your links do not show otherwise. You were wrong and you were beaten, everyone here can see it.

          • DVader

            Lydia,
            All your quote can claim to prove is that the US was willing to back the Afghan resistance against the Soviet invasion. The Afghans resisted for a variety of reasons, and religion was only one of them: nationalism and tribalism were also big factors. That doesn’t make us responsible for the Wahhabis–they invited themselves to the Afghan wars and created their own organizations, mostly AFTER the Soviets had withdrawn and the US had disengaged.

            You seem to believe that most of what’s bad that happens in the world is somehow the responsibility of the US, like your claim that the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya–formed in 1999–was somehow responsible for the revolt in Chechnya, which started in 1994. Maybe on the planet you’re on the US has a time machine so we can do things like that, but back here on Planet Earth…

          • лидия

            My quote? It is the quote from DV link LOL
            And NO, the quote is NOT about “US was willing to back the Afghan resistance against the Soviet invasion” It is about USA plotting to made(!) USSR bring army into Afghanistan and for this end to first (!) bring Wahhabi from all over the world into Afghanistan.
            “According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
            “When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth.”
            I suppose DV could (!) read English. And since when Osama bin Laden and his ilk was “Afghan resistance”?
            So, DV admitted USA meddling in Afghanistan, even though he(?) lied about the nature of this meddling. I am not going to argue more.
            And yeah American Committee for Peace in Chechnya was formed in 1999 – but it is just one example of USA rulers meddling in Russia, and there was a lot of other, less open. The same as in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and so on.
            .

          • DVader

            “The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.”? Obviously that took place AFTER the Soviets invaded.

            US meddling in Afghanistan? All this took placed AFTER the Afghan Communist Party overthrew the previously neutral Afghan Government in April 1978 and tried to force a Communist system on the very recalcitrant Afghans. So the US was responding to a Communist takeover–hardly surprising during the Cold War.

            Bin Laden showed up years later and funded himself.

            As for the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, do you have any evidence that it ever did anything besides say thing Russia didn’t like? Maybe you and Putin consider that to be “meddling in Russia?” but in America we call that “freedom of speech.”

          • лидия

            I rest my case. Anyone could read the whole text – it is short, and see for oneself that Brzezinski openly said about the “official’ story being a lie.
            I do not have so much spare time to waste on DV who cannot even read the English text and who believes, against all facts, that USA rulers are not playing a very big and dirty role in support for the Wahhabi terrrorism

          • DVader

            Which does not address the points I raised…

          • Sam

            >I rest my case. Anyone could read the whole text – it is short

            I read it, it seems that dvader is correct on the issue, it seems that english isnt your first language so maybe your comprehension skills are a bit off.

          • Sam

            Wow, im not even necessary here, Dvader is handing your ass to you. Facts beat soviet propaganda it seems. No wonder the soviet union collapsed into dirt.

          • Sam

            >Wow, DV knows better than Brzezinski what Brzezinski had done.

            No one is saying that, the problem for you is that he never claimed to have supported al qaeda.

            >Nothing new here, so in Libya USA and Saudi royals backed other Wahhabi terrorists against Qaddafi – and ooops – these new tools of USA imperialism turned against their USA paymasters too – see 9/11/12.

            Except that the libyan opposition backed by the us has anti al qaeda and praised bin ladens death.

            >was my “mistake” to point to it LOL

            Dont be foolish.

          • etniks

            To come down from your idea of 20th century Hollywood shaped history cloud, you should read Antony Sutton’s “Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler” to see who really have been the Nazis all along, and to prove they were in fact the winners of WW2. Henry Ford had truck and vehicles factories in Nazi Germany throughout the full war, and were being overpassed by western bombers without damaging them. The monarchies of Europe made a coalition with bankers and western capitalists to brainwash a whole country to attack the Volchevics who had just assassinated all the Czar family, fearing for their own lives.
            “D Day” only took place when the Russian army was already heading fast towards Berlin, liberating country after country in the way. The US and Britain were happy to let Hitler devastate Russia (27 MILLION RUSSIANS DEAD) while they took their time to open the western second front, which only finally came months before the end of the war.
            But the kings of hypocrisy are the gringos and Brits who quickly set up their propaganda machine to produce a false narrative “they” were the “victors” against Hitler.

          • DVader

            Let’s see. Germany flattened, overrun and divided. Hitler dead in the Bunker. Himmler a suicide. Goering hung for war crimes, etc, etc, etc. How can you claim the Nazis won World War II?
            If you know anything about World War II history, the invasion of France took place about as early as it could have, if for no other reason than because we didn’t break the Luftwaffe until the spring of 1944.

          • Sam

            >On the other hand, IS hate Russia, Iran and Hezballa – who REALLY fight them. It sure means something, but NOT to DV.

            Nice job russia/s

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYQF6y3UAAAuHS9.jpg

          • Sam

            >In Bahrain, also, USA imperialists backed “their” dictator against mass and peaceful protests, the same in SA.

            Bad, but not as bad as russias support of assad who killed far more people.

          • Sam

            >a pity that it was not known to Brzezinski (who had also brought to USA 9/11 by the way, see his bragging in 1998 of “snaring USSR in Afghanistan with Wahhabi terrorists from all over the world, and he did it with help of one Osama bin Laden)

            To those reading, the commentator knows this isnt true, it has been pointed out to her on numerous occasions.

            When asked for evidence that the us worked with bin laden she is found wanting.

      • DVader

        It can flourish on an individual basis as well as a group or society-wide basis.

    • лидия

      Palestinians are colonized people and have ALL rights to fight the Zionist colonizers of Palestine. The Palestinian did NOT choose to be colonized by Zionists, it is Zionists’ choice.
      So. with the end of Zionist colonization there would be NO “Palestinian terrorism”, and yes, Zionist colonialist ideology is VERY radical – a murderous racism, as usual with colonizers.

      • Blankety-Blank

        I think you may have had one correct phrase in this entire spasm of inverted truth. Nope, in re-reading, it turns out that I’m wrong. Everything you said is nonsensical fabrication.

        • лидия

          Sure, Zionists colonizers were “fabricated” by me. Never mind that from the beginning they called their task colonization, because back then it was not out of fashion still. The colonizers were so “normal” then, that Zionists had been not against to try and colonize some other land – in Africa, for ex.
          Of course, the facts are that Zionists are colonizers of Palestine, and not spin could change that.
          UN “decision” was about as relevant as UN not objecting to French colonization of Algeria (that is, before the end of the colonization)
          No one has a right to give away others’ land. So, Palestine belongs to Palestinians and not to Zionist colonizers.

          • Blankety-Blank

            You’re almost right. Aside from the fact that the Arabs were massacring the native Jews whose families had lived in Palestine since antiquity, Israel was founded around the same time as were many of the Middle Eastern nations which had never had an identity other than as Ottoman territories in many centuries. Indeed, India and Pakistan were founded at the same time as Israel. So are you saying they, too, should be obliterated? In fact, 12 MILLION Mohammedans fled India toward Pakistan at that time, and nobody suggests that they should be compensated or repatriated or that their offspring should go back where they came from. People only say such vile things to Jews. And if you’re really Russian, I’d certainly expect no less from you than antisemitism. That was the biggest reason for the massive flight of Jews from Russia over the last century. And they had to go somewhere. Why not back to where their ancestors came from? They had sponsors who bought land, sometimes twice. They struggled and worked and made the region prosperous, attracting Arabs from adjoining lands. But then the Arab fundamentalists started all the unjustifiable killings, the Arabs who continue it, and the world’s antisemites whoc continue to unconscionably justify it.

          • лидия

            “the Arabs were massacring the native Jews whose families had lived in Palestine since antiquity,” – I suppose BB means Palestinian resistance to Zionist colonization. Without Zionist colonization Jews in Palestine were NOT “massacred” Now would Eastern Jews uprooted by Zionism form the places they had lived for hundreds years
            And Zionist colonization of Palestine started about the time of Rhodesia’s one.
            “India and Pakistan were founded at the same time as Israel” – sure, they were “founded” by European colonizers, while India had been in the human history in the same place and more or less with the same peoples for 3000 years. Yes, UK colonizers of India made a lot of crimes, including helping to part ancient India and the bloodbath after that. But the liberation of India from UK colonialism was opposite to Zionist colonization of Palestine.
            The “clever” BB does not know that I am a Russian Jew – I am just not a Zionist racist one.
            And when Jews left Tsarist Russia they went mostly NOT to be colonizers of Palestine, but to USA , but the same did many Italians, for ex.
            And yes, the state hasbara about Zionist colonizers’ greatness is not different from any other colonialist propaganda. One more proof that Zionists are colonizers and Palestinians are colonized people.
            By the way, the hero of Zionists – one Jabotinsky, who also was an admirer of Mussolini, in 1923 wrote about Zionist colonization and the reaction of Palestinians to the colonization (back then colonization, on more time was not out of fashion)
            http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/ironwall.htm
            “Every reader has some idea of the early history of other countries which have been settled. I suggest that he recall all known instances. If he should attempt to seek but one instance of a country settled with the consent of those born there he will not succeed. The inhabitants (no matter whether they are civilized or savages) have always put up a stubborn fight.”
            Of course, this Zionist colonizer was stupid enough to believe that the force would stop Palestinian resistance – as all colonizers did and do.

          • bruce shand

            What does Palestine have to do with this article and the events in Belgium? And please don’t claim that these jihadists are concerned about the fate of Palestinians and that’s why they bomb.

          • лидия

            Looks like my posts started when I have misread “Pasadena” for “Palestine” – me bad. Thank you for pointing to my mistake.
            But my posts are factually solid and still replies to them were as usual Zionist(USA imperialist) as in other cases when I have commented without initial mistake.

          • Blankety-Blank

            This is most likely “intersectionality”. That is, anything that is wrong with the world is Israel’s fault, and it is the duty of all right-thinking people everywhere to support terrorists. But only if they are Muslim.

          • Blankety-Blank

            Ma’am, I would certainly expect you to be a Russian Jew. You are ignorant of the totality of facts of the case, but are driven by a powerful desire to see justice done. Justice, of course, is an incredibly powerful value in Jewish life. That’s why, when Jews purchased land in Palestine from absentee landlords, they often voluntarily paid a second time to the displaced tenants out of pity. Then, too, you acknowledge that colonization was the norm at that time, but are determined to condemn only the Jews returning to their ancestral homeland while forgiving all the other contemporaneous colonizers who were acting within the standards of the era. But the many Mohammedan colonizations which were bloodily completed are totally understandable and acceptable? Of COURSE you’re a Russian Jew. But are you suggesting that the UN is wrong in their Human Rights notion that people should be free to move where they are legally entitled to, where they have lawfully rented or purchased housing? Or can your distant neighbors kill you if they don’t want you moving to some place 100 km from them because you are Jewish? And then kill Jews who’d lived in the same towns for 3000 years because they are co-religionists of the Jews who moved to the distant swamps?

            The biggest massacres of Early 20’th Century Palestine were led by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Arafat’s cousin, or uncle, or some close relative not even worth my looking up, which tells you that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.) He aroused people to kill the Jews of Hebron. These innocent victims were NOT Russian immigrants, not “Zionist Colonists”. Far from it. Their families had lived there since antiquity, which is quite likely why so many were saved by their Arab neighbors with whom they no doubt shared decent relations. Hebron was hardly the only violent jihad, but as the attacks exponentiated, Jewish self-defense arose and provided for a reduction in Jewish casualties.

            My family fled Russia & Poland. I know little about the tribulations in Russia aside from the Cossack depredations and those more recent abuses which have been well documented in the media. But Poland – well, they are a fine example of why Jews had to find somewhere to live self-sufficiently – they were still being abused and driven out decades after World War II. But all the Mohammedan countries that persecuted Jews over the centuries and finally drove the Jews out and sometimes killed them (not that there weren’t pogroms before this final exodus), stealing all their land and property, those countries only added to the necessity of a return to the Jewish homeland. A LAWFUL return. Where else could we go?

            The Palestinian Jews (that was how they were referred to in those days) mostly got on fine with their non-Jewish neighbors. As tensions arose, egged on by Islamic instructions to kill the Jews – not an uncommon theme in many Christian & Mohammedan Lands over the past millennium – and as violence increased, many Jews worked to quell this division. But just like in marriage, it takes two to make it work, but only one to wreck it. The Jews wanted to live in peace, but that didn’t happen. Then the UN wanted to create two separate but equal states. The Jews accepted, the Arabs rejected. The Arabs invaded again and again, and not because of “Colonialism”, unless you distort that meaning considerably. They invaded because the Koran and Hadiths make it clear that any land ever under Mohammedan rule must be returned to such dominion. And since the Ottomans had colonized Palestine previously, that rule applied and still does. That, as a matter of fact, is why you still hear Imams preaching about the reconquest of Andalusia, though I don’t hear anyone claiming that Spain colonized their own country. They just had the misfortune to have been over-run by Mohammedans a millennium ago.

            This is a one-sided religious dispute. The Jews aren’t trying to conquer the world, though ISIL, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, et. al. certainly are. Check out the mosques being populated throughout the West with violent Jihadi Imams paid for by Wahhabi extremists. As with much of the dogma in aggressive religions, there is little hope for reason unless the followers rebel. We’re still waiting for the Muslim Martin Luther. So far, that hasn’t happened. Though when it does, no doubt he’ll be just as antisemitic as was Luther.

            Worse, since so many Jews are irrationally intent on “justice” without any clear understanding of where that justice really lies, they undermine the very compelling struggle of Jews trying to just lead normal lives in the one place on Earth they are welcome no matter what their circumstance. Compare the reception of the refugee Jews from Arab lands, with no help from the UN or anyone else, to the reception of refugee Muslims in Mohammedan countries, with annual welfare and no end in sight, and a complete refusal of all those Muslim countries to assimilate their co-religionists, though they’re happy to employ them in slave labor.

            We’re talking Earthlings and Martians here. Two completely different species, at least in terms of values and actions. Yep, there were and are Jews who advocate things that aren’t very nice. No society is perfect. (I certainly hope you’ve noticed that the US has more than a few peccadilloes in our history and even current practice.) But such Jews are constrained by their society and government. The exact opposite is true of the Arab regimes, whose leaders stridently encourage murder and mayhem not only against Jews and Israel, but also against Christians (whose presence has plummeted as a result in ancient Christian centers in the Middle East even as they flourish within Israel) and against Baha’is, Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, and any other “other”, not to mention Sufi against Salafi against Suni against Shia. This is a bloodthirsty religion which inculcates violent reprisal for deviation from whatever strand of theology the individual practices. I don’t imagine you’d enjoy being a woman in such a culture. They are living where Judaism was several millenia ago (though Judaism gave women more rights), where Christianity was over the last millennium and is finally extricating itself from. They are philosophically still living and thinking and acting with a weltanschauung from which no good can arise. To not recognize this is either a tribute to your hyperfocus on trivial details while ignoring the overall generalities – forest and trees – or is a reflection of an idealistic wish to see the world as it should be rather than recognizing it as it really is while failing to accurately focus on how to fairly make it better – making the world better is a noble goal when done intelligently. You don’t make the world better if your efforts involve unjustly vilifying your righteous co-religionists while unconscionably apotheosizing the true villains in this conflict.

          • etniks

            BLANKETY BLANK – The narrative you are promoting is the regular BS dished out by the reacalcitrant Zionist think-tanks to turn decent people into “Palestinian terrorists” when all they are doing is defend their own homes, their own territory which has been STOLEN by European Zionists who are using an old book as if it was a form of real estate document.
            It’s a clever ploy to use a benerated Bible to base the Zionist preposterous claims of ownership over Palestine.
            To claim India and Pakistan were born at the same time as Israel shows how little you understand what the history of any nation means. India and Pakistan have a long set of histories that evolved their societies to today’s point, while Israel is a modern creation filled up with EUROPEAN fanatical Zionists claiming REAL ESTATE BELONGING TO SOMEONE ELSE.

          • Blankety-Blank

            etniks. Wrong, but passionate. Somehow people justify their ravings by being enthusiastically pretentious, feigning righteousness when they are merely demonstrating ignorance. “Stolen” denies the reality of Jewish purchase of all property they resided upon, often even paying twice for moral reasons I won’t trouble you with since you clearly have no comprehension of justice nor morality. And to deny the contemporaneous establishment of India and Pakistan is equally to deny an indisputable fact. Yep, there were lots of prior cultures there. But no such nation states. Are you suggesting that there was no prior culture in Israel?

            Then you rave on, claiming that Israel is filled up with fanatical European Zionists. That is something of a stretch, though many persecuted European Jews were driven to enthusiastic Zionism by watching their neighbors murdered by bigots of Poland, Russia, the Ukraine, etc. No doubt your family enjoyed participating in such activites? Despite this escape of the persecuted victims of Eastern European Christians, Israel has more Jews from Arab lands than from Europe. And once again, THEY BOUGHT THE LAND THEY LIVE ON. THAT, my fair bigot, is what determines who owns the real estate. Check the records, from Ottoman, to British, to Israel’s establishment. Legitimate ownership. Your antisemitism is showing. Glowing, in fact.

  • johan eary

    What Belgian authorities fail to understand is that the problem is not only terrorism. Terror does not operate in a void, it is nurtured by a ideology . That ideology is calles Islamic fundamentalism. Belgium is now reaping the fruits of decennia of appeasing Muslim extremists by the traditional political parties.
    For many years everyone has known that Belgium and especially Brussels was a hotbed of Islamist fanatics, yet all those who have warned against this state of affairs have been labelled “racists”, “undemocratic”, islamophobe”, etc, by the mainly leftist oreintated press and by the politically correct political establishment. For years these politically correct appeasers of terrorism and Islamism have maintained the mantra that only a very small percentage of Muslims is radicalized. Yet, since the start of the civil war in Syria, Belgium has been the country with the highest per capita pecrentage of Isis recruits in the entire Eu
    It is right and necessarry to beef up security. But this war (and that is exactly what it is) will never be won, unless the root causes are tackled. That means, fighting not only the fanaticized individual but the ideology of Islamism itself.

  • Serge Gelalian

    It seems that you understand nothing to the current situation or you are manipulating public opinion. I noticed that the american press has launched a cabal against the Saudis lately, probably to demonize the wahhabi monarchy for some reasons linked to Mideast geopolitics, drifting the public opinion away in a process called disinformation. Maybe the Saudi connection is real in this situation – i doubt it – but the very real connection is Turkey and you can’t deny it. Focus on that country for the terrorism targeting Europe (refugees, European integration, etc.). And don’t forget that ISIS is a hydra whose heads obey to as much leaders that created it.

  • DVader

    The problem is actually much worse than this, since there are competing Muslim radicalisms, including the Muslim Brotherhood and the Iranians.

  • ayhan

    You explain well how the Wahhabism and salafisme flourish during decade. It is a Arab ideology not Turk. Therefore I couldn’t understand why you mixte up Marocains and Turkish diaspora in Belgium in the framework of wahhabism in a very confuse way. The number of Turks who live in Belgium who follow the path the wahabism is negligible because their imam or not financed by wahhabi founds.You make very unjust mixture instead of appreciating the Turkish community in Belgium. Do you have a personnel problem with this community.

  • Muslim Umma which does not beleive in democrac and propagated with Saudi money which suited the American Military Industrial complex is the real cause.

  • etniks

    The Belgium and France attacks follow the Operation Gladio forms of behavior. GLADIO is the NATO clandestine secret army “left-behind” by the USA and Britain after WW2 in case the Soviet Union invaded Western Europe.
    As history shows it never happened, but the secret army has been used by the “democratic” authorities to do “terrorist attacks” whenever they wanted to shape their voters psyche through insecurity.
    For decades this has been going on and only rarely has it been identified publicly in Italy’s attack, which prompted the “authorities” who have been applying it, to promise to stop it.
    However by the several attacks in the US and Europe it looks like it has morphed into “Gladio B” which is authorities monitoring real threats to society by terrorists, only to let them happen and spark the public attitude of fear the “authorities” seek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

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